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Many thanks for the great article. Now if we could only get a few governments to stand up and defend their rights!
Great to see that they are going to attempt to fight back, but until their battle is successful, I wont get over excited about it. A few years back it was another established portal site who supposedly had great laywers, the case was eventually dismissed and nothing was really settled in our favor.
Axl what you are talking about is the casinocity case and I think the outcome of this case could actually be used as a defense should any affiliate be taken to court. The US government threw out the lawsuit because they claimed that casinocity was not doing anything unlawful.
The Neteller founders hired that law firm to DEFEND them from criminal prosecution by the DOJ it’s not an offensive.
This obviously was a fight the US wanted or they would have never arrested the Neteller founders. Of course they are going to defend themselves and yes they have the money to hire competant legal representation. Nothing shocking here. I doubt this caught the DOJ by surprise.
I wish them the best of luck, they certainly dont “deserve” this harrassment for having provided a quality service that consumers wanted but this is not an offensive or fighting back, its fighting for survival and hopefully for a suspended prison sentence. Lets just hope they dont exchange our information for their freedom.
Professor wrote:This obviously was a fight the US wanted or they would have never arrested the Neteller founders. Of course they are going to defend themselves and yes they have the money to hire competant legal representation. Nothing shocking here. I doubt this caught the DOJ by surprise.I agree. It’s not like they accidentally busted a senator’s kid for drugs.
They knew who they were targeting, and they knew that they would be up against compentent defense attorneys. Well in advance, they decided they could achieve a particular objective.
Don’t be short sited, a win DEFENDING themselves could lead to major holes in any further DOJ actions and past actions.
A precedence on internet regulations, online gambling, payment processors, international banking can all be made here.
Also not the most competent prosecutor the DOJ could have used appears to be on the side of the DEFENDING team.
I agree this is not a sure thing and it could go ll bad, but this is the best shot for a major knock to all of this.
antoine wrote:The US government threw out the lawsuit because they claimed that casinocity was not doing anything unlawful.As I recall it, the case was dismissed not because the plaintiff wasnt doing anything wrong, but because they had not been charged with anything and thus had no reason to be in court. The case was dismissed with prejudice meaning that it couldnt not be brought back to the court in the future.
Also agree with professors comments, these guys arent on the offensive they are fighting for their freedom. The government/state das etc have been spying on these guys very closely, I am sure they have the entire scenario played out.
you cant go after them untill you get called up by them.. dont overlook this as only a DOJ win..
allfreechips wrote:Also not the most competent prosecutor the DOJ could have used appears to be on the side of the DEFENDING team.The Bush administration has clearly been politicizing the DOJ under the guise of the Patriot Act. So the most qualified are not always doing the prosecuting. I would expect many changes in the DOJ if the Dems win the White House next year.
Probably the most high profile prosecutor to ‘resign’ was the Balco prosecutor Kevin Ryan. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/washington/17justice.html
This is a video of Diane Feinstein’s speech addressing what the Bush Ad. is doing.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/17/white-house-goes-after-prosecutors/
I must say, I am very excited about this arrest. Although Lawrence and John have no choice, it seems to me they actually feel they can win this. I hold thumbs for all my friends in the US that this will be the end result. Despite what some might think of these fine men, they might once again make a positive difference in this industry.
I would donate to the cause – but I feel like I have with all the peer-to-peer service fees.
I think they have all the funding we need, I just cant beleive people cant see the incredible thing this can be.
Personally I have no faith in the judicial system. It’s a mockery and it’s outdaded. The only purpose it serves is to employ judges and attorneys and to give a semblance of justice. What will happen is that both sides will drag this in court forever. The court will try to freeze all neteller funds, and the neteller lawyers will fight with every single loop hole that they can find.
I’ve done the court thing, it’s a joke. 90% of the time the judge is uninformed and he probably wont even have a clue as to what the internet is.
But in the end the court is owned by the government. Assuming neteller somehow wins this case and overcomes the charges, it wont help the rest of us. It wont even help them as the government will jump on them with new charges.
This is all a little non sense to me. If Neteller can be charged, then every single bank in Europe could too.
Neteller does not have any gambling business, they are an e-wallet. They accept money from Americans, and then process instructions given by the owners of the funds. It can be to pay other people for services, like peer-to-peer transactions or it can be to play casino games. If an American has an European bank account and uses it to play at casinos there is nothing the DOJ can do about it (unless there is a law forbidden any international transaction of funds). And if they say that because funds use USD (and correspondent banks in USA) it is their jurisdiction, then you would have to charge all USA banks too.
It seems that I’m missing something here, because if the funds are held in the Isle of Man or in Britain, at that time the laws that govern any transfer would be from Isle of Man and Britain. Otherwise a coffee shop in Amsterdam could also be charged by the DOJ for given products to USA citizens in Holland that are illicit in the USA.
The USA has the right to approve the laws they want but at this time they are trying to expand jurisdiction and one more time trying to impose their ideas and regulation to the World. Thanks God the Tony Blair era is almost ended and Europe is following its own route.
Unfortunately, G. Bush had push USA to a position in which almost all the rest of the world don’t like America. And this is bad, because people tend to generalize things and apply this as rule against all the American population. This is unfair, because the problem has more to do with the administration than the population. The speech about the bad and the good, the evil and the god, and capitalism crusades are now tiring the world. It’s interesting that most of the people I know in Europe are now considering Bill Clinton as an hero and one of the best USA presidents of the past. Guess why!
