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  • #599760
    Anonymous
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    I am normally a very trusting person and in the past have had no reason to doubt my stats with Gambling wages but these stats below don’t make sense to me , so perhaps the Gambling Wages representative can explain what happened here. Firstly for the whole month of December I had earnings of $297.00 . There were no new depositors so no reason for bonuses/coupon codes to be credited but yet 5 hours before cutoff my stats suddenly reduced to negative $2.71 but there were no deposits made – just a sudden coupon amount awarded of $3620.00. Makes no sense to me unless I am missing something.See below:

    Get Previous Reports
    January February March April May June July August September October November December 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

    Cool Cat Casino – Affiliate Totals 12/31/2006 6:28:46 PM Name:Heather * Gartland
    Summary for this Pay Period Number of Clickthroughs: 162
    Number of Downloaders: 35
    Number of Players: 23
    Number of New Depositors: 0
    Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
    Total Deposits: $250.00
    Net Win: $3,712.27
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $3,620.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $100.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($9.04)
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($2.71)
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
    Amount Accrued This Period: ($2.71)

    Summary to Date Number of Clickthroughs: 1936
    Number of Downloaders: 157
    Number of Players: 87
    Number of New Depositors: 4
    Total Initial Deposits: $220.00
    Total Deposits: $2,095.00
    Net Win: $10,436.44
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $9,122.50
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: ($180.00)
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $1,461.06
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $9.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: $438.32
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00

    And to further add to this – Practicallt the same thing happened on Palace of Chance – I had a positive figure in the region of $250.00 for the month until yesterday when $750.00 was banged on in credits too: See below:

    Get Previous Reports
    January February March April May June July August September October November December 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

    Palace Of Chance Casino – Affiliate Totals 12/31/2006 6:38:34 PM Name:Heather Gartland
    Summary for this Pay Period Number of Clickthroughs: 201
    Number of Downloaders: 28
    Number of Players: 14
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Initial Deposits: $25.00
    Total Deposits: $525.00
    Net Win: $1,050.52
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $310.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $750.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($9.48)
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($2.84)
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
    Amount Accrued This Period: $4.21

    Summary to Date Number of Clickthroughs: 6147
    Number of Downloaders: 752
    Number of Players: 464
    Number of New Depositors: 22
    Total Initial Deposits: $770.00
    Total Deposits: $7,947.00
    Net Win: $28,555.24
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $10,762.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $13,844.57
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $3,657.70
    Amount Deducted: $536.10
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $470.21
    Amount Earned: $1,111.97
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00


    #720482
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    My stats miraculously changed this morning?!but it still doesn’t explain the large coupon amounts

    Get Previous Reports
    January February March April May June July August September October November December 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008

    Cool Cat Casino – Affiliate Totals 1/1/2007 3:36:54 AM Name:Heather * Gartland
    Summary for this Pay Period Number of Clickthroughs: 162
    Number of Downloaders: 35
    Number of Players: 23
    Number of New Depositors: 0
    Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
    Total Deposits: $350.00
    Net Win: $4,962.07
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $3,655.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $100.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $1,202.34
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: $360.70
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
    Balance Due This Period: $360.70

    #720496
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m still waiting on an explanation of my stats for 2 WEEKS now.

    #720729
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    To TopBoss,

    First of all, please keep in mind that the numbers under “Summary to Date” are not accurate. Only view the “Summary for this Pay Period” check the field marked “Amount Earned:”, add the “Amount Earned From Tiers: ” and the “Amount Added For Reversed Bans:”. Then reduce the “Amount Deducted:” and the “Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments:”, that is the total for one casino for one month.

    Next I would like to point that this is wrong:

    Quote:
    There were no new depositors so no reason for bonuses/coupon codes to be credited

    We have monthly promos. We also have Promos for inactive players. These promos can be upfront, cash back bonuses, insurance bonuses, free chips and so forth. So there is plenty of reason for coupon codes to be credited, even when no new depositors are present. These coupons are just evidence of us do our best to maximize retention.

    The fact that your stats changed, is not miraculous. The reason they changed is because you earn revenue share. This means if your players win, then your commission goes down; if your players loose, then your commission goes up. We cannot control when they loose and when they win.

    Our casino clients give large promotions, so you can expect to see deductions for this. Just don’t forget that this is part of what drives our excellent conversion and high retention.

    To Belgamo,

    Natalie has sent you an email and an internal ticket please check either.

    Best Regards,
    Nicolas Johnson
    Gambling Wages Assistant Affiliate Manger

    #720736
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Nicolas – I do appreciate your response and understand that you offer free credits to entice the players , but what I can not understand is how there could have been free credits to the tune of $3620.00 all added on the same day. I don’t have such a large database of players even if you gave every player an extra $100.00 on the same day.

    Please don’t get me wrong and I am not accusing the casino of anything untoward , but just cannot understand how so much in credits can be added at the same time?

    #720764
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi TopBoss,

    Please send me an internal ticket, and I will look into your situation and see what is going on.

    Remember I am always here to help you. For best service, contact me through the internal ticketing system, my email nicolas at gamblingwages dot com or MSN messenger; nicolas_1875 at hotmail dot com.

    Best Regards,
    Nicolas Johnson

    #720923
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi,

    I would also like to ask a question.

    This is kinda hard for me to believe and would really appreciate it if someone from Gambling Wages would look into my account for me and give me an answer that i can live with.

    My CoolCat account has 397 players, year to date.

    NOT ONE HAS DEPOSITED ALL YEAR???????

    I find this very, very hard to believe. i have not made one dime at your casinos, even though i have brought in hundreds of players , not only at coolcat, but at all of your casinos, not ONE Depositor?

    Please get in touch with me, or leave your comments here.

    thank you

    Gambling wages id….giggles7p

    #720936
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Guys my advice is to concentrate your efforts on Cirrus Casino. I have had NO luck at all with Cool Cat in terms of conversions or earnings. I have no idea why that is, but I think you will be MUCH happier with Gambling Wages if you put the cat out for the night and stick with Cirrus.

    #720953
    biggyg
    Member

    Thanks for the advise Lou , Maybe you will consider making new list for us Newbies on the best ones to promote?
    A top 10 casino list with individual casinos listed rather than group?
    Pretty please with sugar on it ?LOL

    Ouch maybe I should have made this a poll but really I only really want to see yours hehehe

    #722017
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    To Triple777s,

    First of all, I would like to make it clear you did not contact me, except through this forum, and while I do come here, it is not nearly as often as I check my email or our internal ticketing system (the official Contact Us methods). I am also always on MSN chat; Nicolas1875 at hotmail dot com.

    As to finding it hard to believe; I think the answer is in your stats. You have 111 downloads and 397. Evidently all these players are not unique; instead this number represents a few depositors who have opened multiple player accounts for dubious reasons. Upon further inspection, just one of your players opened 337 accounts (so 337 of your players are in reality just one!).

    It is also not surprising you haven’t obtained any depositors when considering the pages that most sent traffic from your site are:

    1- A Cool Cat Free Chip Thread
    http://p198.ezboard.com/ftriple7s73714frm48.showMessage?topicID=32.topic

    2- Another Cool Cat Free Chip Thread that also talks about “free to new players, but heard alot of exsisting players can redeem”
    http://p198.ezboard.com/ftriple7s73714frm48.showMessage?topicID=62.topic

    I hope that clears things up. If you need anything else, remember I am here to help.

    To Profesor,

    Thank you for your input, I know how busy you are and appreciate you taking time to post here.

    I would just like to make it clear that you have only promoted Cool Cat and Cirrus, that you have not promoted Club Player or Palace of Chance and therefore your last post does not apply to them.

    I would also like to point out that when you say “no luck” that does not mean you haven’t made a single dime, because you have made money from the Cat, just that not as much as from Cirrus.

    Last, I would like to mention that historically Cool Cat has been out performed by some of our other brands, but recently Cool Cat has been our best converting casino with their 1000%. It would be a shame to see affiliates missing out on the conversion of this promo due to historical performance (history does not repeat itself ;-) )

    To Casinobonusguy,

    While it is a good idea to follow other affiliates best converting program, it is necessary to remember your results can and probability will vary drastically. The problem is that you are not taking into account the fact that every affiliate attracts different types of players. Therefore, one affiliate’s players may like a casino, while another affiliate’s players don’t.

    Some affiliates have advanced players, and it is necessary to provide them with a casino that can handle them. Some affiliates have free chip players and it is necessary to send them to a casino that can handle them. Some affiliates have slots players and it is necessary to send them to a casino that can maximize a slots player profitability. No casino specializes in everything, so therefore there is no cookie-cut solution.

    It is good to ask the question you are asking but keep in mind that your results can and probability will vary drastically.

    Kind Regards,
    Nicolas Johnson
    MSN Messenger [email protected]

    #722021
    biggyg
    Member

    ok from time to time we are probably all guilty of signing up at a casino twice if we changd computer or went years without playing but 337 times?That is crazy .

    #722031
    vladcizsol
    Member
    Quote:
    ok from time to time we are probably all guilty of signing up at a casino twice if we changd computer or went years without playing but 337 times?That is crazy .

    Very common among bonus abusers particularly asian groups who specialize in this sort of thing. If you invite bonus abusers they WILL come, and the result is usually no one earns money. CPA scammers love to do this too…

    #722037
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Professor is totally right. You have no idea how many bonus abusers come our way for a free chip. That’s why when some affiliates ask me to sponsor their forums with no deposit offers; I have to deny the request. Free chips increase our sessions in the casino crazily, but lots of those sessions are from the same people, who keep uninstalling/reinstalling/creating new account/redeeming the free chip again, and again..

    My advice to everyone is to promote free chips in limited ways. Do not put them on your site for months or ages. Place some sign up or deposit bonus next to them. Focus on deposit bonuses. Free chips are not for serious players. We have some free chips, offered as insurance to a sign up bonus: example – 300% Bonus + If you do not win get a $50 Free Chip or 100% Insurance, etc. This will work a lot better for you.

    If you need an exclusive promotion of this type, please let me know. I’ll be more than glad to make it for you.

    Casinobonusguy: if you want, please contact me tomorrow via phone (800-549-7407) or messenger (gwaffiliatemanager at hotmail dot com) and I’ll show you some screen shots of that out of control player from our backend. We can also talk about some promo for your site.

    Best regards,

    Natalie Stewart.
    Affiliate Director
    http://www.GamblingWages.com

    #722049
    biggyg
    Member

    Thanks Natalie and professor.I am new to this stuff and never in my wildest dreams would I imagine somebody signing up that many times.I am slowly learning and it only took me two months to figure that free money offers dont really belong in high traffic areas.I started replacing all the free money stuff with high bonus offers and I can see a change in things already.On my one site i was getting a disgusting amount of traffic 1000+ per day and making nothing.Since i kicked the freeloaders off , I am no longer ashamed of my earnings lol.

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