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Dear Affiliate Programs,
A good portion of you are no longer taking American players, and so many webmasters are seeing “fraud” and “locked” accounts in their stats. In a few months… or a year… or two years… you may (for whatever reasons) allow Americans to play at your sites again.
If and when that happens, what do you have in place to assure that webmasters will get thier player base back? Or are we all just SOL and starting over?
That is a most interesting question.
I know I won’t be popular with what I will say, but the longer the prohibition goes, the more I would be willing to forgive the programs.
:banger:
I only say this because I would like the ” little davids ” to be as strong as possible in facing the big time
competition from the united land based operations.This assumes that the online gambling operations get their
act together, stop playing snakes and ladder, and UNITE for the common long term good and strive to REVERSE the situation.If you disagree, would you prefer that the state monopolizes everything, like they do with state lotteries ? Do you think the private online gambling cartels that are
being created will have you in mind ?I am not sure affiliates would even exist were that to happen.
:rolleyes:
Just a personal thought of mine is that “some” not all are using this as a way to cheat us. I will be very upset if we dont get our players back and lets say they start to accept American players again in 6 months to a year. You know there will be lots of excuses if that does happen though “players were never blah blah when the accounts were closed due to blah blah blah”.
Diceman wrote:Just a personal thought of mine is that “some” not all are using this as a way to cheat us. I will be very upset if we dont get our players back and lets say they start to accept American players again in 6 months to a year. You know there will be lots of excuses if that does happen though “players were never blah blah when the accounts were closed due to blah blah blah”.Some programs will use ANY excuse to cheat affiliates …
let’s stay UNITED for the sake of SURVIVAL.
:rolleyes:
Here’s another interesting thought:
I hear that some PT’s are looking to RTG as a way to reach the American players. That these PT’s would offer two software platforms.
Now, what do you suppose the odds are that — if these casinos used the databases to email players and get them new accounts on RTG — that the affiliate would still get credit for the player they originally brought in?
I’ll tell you what the odds are: Between ‘d!ck’ and ‘none’.
Of course, that would mean affiliate programs would need to actually take the effort to email players… and we all know how reluctant they are to do that. Oh but wait, this would make a difference to their bottom line, not ours. They may do it, then.
Believe me, there are still some very good affiliate programs out there! There are some who are taking US players, helping to get the word out, and sticking by the affiliates like the partners they all claimed we were. But I hope the rest of the affiliate programs, the ones silently screwing us, understand the following:
This industry has a good chance of survival. Affiliates will forgive them for making difficult business decisions… even if it sucks for us right now. But we have long memories when it comes to sticking one up our backsides.
If the prohibition is long … let’s forgive but NEVER forget …
meanwhile let’s work to reverse our collective misfortune.
:rolleyes:
I think affiliates will be sitting good if/when the land based make it ‘legal’ again. Because if it is ever legal and regulated then that means Google, Yahoo, etc. will take gambling ads again. You could make good money just sticking Adsense on your sites then. The land based will definitely have an advantage with their branding. But the current sites and affiliates have the market cornered on natural search results. That is a huge advantage when it comes to online gambling.
As long as the worst case protectionist scenario (state run lottery only) doesn’t happen, the affiliates/companies that can hang on in this realm will do very well down the road. I don’t think it is to the land based casinos’ benefit to have a protectionist type of policy as far as keeping online offshore companies away from US customers when it becomes legal. I don’t think that would go over well for their land based interests in the UK for example. (Harrah’s has been trying to buy into this newly opened market) Besides, Republicans will be all for free trade again when their money interests are ready to go:rolleyes:
Yes, I would like to keep my players, but realistically it looks very doubtful. At minimum, I expect some consolidation in the industry, so if X goes out of business or gets bought, I doubt my affiliate account will be a high priority. It’s why I’ve been a little picky when it comes to promoting certain types of poker/casinos. One of the biggest questions I ask is; can they still be around in 5 years? These newest developments have shot that idea all to hell. So I expect to lose a lot of US players just out of consolidation.
Even the companies that surive this – and they keep a record that a player came through my site; they have already lost that customer to another casino/poker room. They will have to be re-aquired all over again. For a company like Party Poker, this could be doable because they will most likely be back as typin traffic. But I also think that if you quit promoting Party Poker then your affiliate account will be deleted and all records that go with it. Regardless, I will be surprised if any company is going to bother with this.
I think expecting these sites to be back up in 6 months is a dream. They won’t even have the banking regulatory controls done by then. More likely scenario is the congressional study on regulating online gambling that is supposed to be voted on some time next year. If it passes, who knows how long for the actual study? Then when they find out, yes, online gambling can be regulated by the US government, will the gears be truly set in motion. I’m guessing 1 1/2 – 2 years minimum.
I’m also of the opinion that we all need to work together and stay out of attack mode. If you want to fight with somebody, get involved in the political process and channel your energy into getting online gambling friendly representation in government. Everything should be geared towards making online gambling a regulated leisure activity in the US. I understand the concern. I just don’t expect anything from an industry that is getting devastated right now.
Ok I don’t want to get started again about affiliates attacking programs at every opportunity, but when I see statements like this in the same post it makes me shake my head:
Quote:some programs will use ANY excuse to cheat affiliates …followed by:
Quote:let’s stay UNITED for the sake of SURVIVAL.Arent the programs PART of the equation for SURVIVAL?
Arent they facing the same challenges we are?
Arent they impacted by the new law just as heavily as we are ?
Wasnt it OPERATORS who have been arrested?
You guys make it sound like these companies want to lose billions of dollars just so that they can steal a handful of your players. I suppose that Frist was in Cahoots on this angle to, right?
You AUTOMATICALLY assume the worst right? Oh yeah if by some miracle things change in the near future the casinos will rub their hands together with glee and steal all the players! Oh Happy Day! Come on, give your partners a break, there is JUST AS MUCH REASON to BELIEVE if the casinos do readmit these players that they will START PAYING YOU on their activity again. Shit! They have been paying you up to now right? So why the AUTOMATIC assumption that they are are going to rip you off? Why the constant hate for the partners who have been paying many of you thousands of dollars every month?
Aleph I am not singling you out in this thread, you are certainly not the only affiliate one who seemingly always sees “evil intentions” or another “Program Scam” in anything that happens. There are a number of posters who take that position, but for heavans sakes WITHOUT the programs what business would we have?
Did you guys ever notice these “Call Outs” to the programs NEVER result in discussion or interaction with the affiliate managers? We just get four or five of the same posters coming out and hurling accusations and conspiracy theories at the programs. It may serve your need to vent, but it gets old and its not productive.
Ok I have a headache again… Wheres the Captains Morgan?….
Professor I will reverse the statements
1. ALL programs are 100% honest and would never stiff
affiliates.2. Let’s divide ourselves even more so we have a better
chance at survival.:drunk2:
Not surprised a bit by your response Aleph.
Disappointed yes, but not surprised.
Please review our policy here:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/board-posting-clarification.5318.html?
Constant attacks on our certified partners is not acceptable behavior.
aleph knew it wouldn’t be a popular opinion
:banger:but only wants this industry to survive against its enemies …
the laws put into effect and the arrests made are not a
conspiracy theory.
enough of repetition bla bla … a fabulous week-end to all !
Quote:a fabulous week-end to all !Amen to that sentiment. Lets all have a good one its been a LOOONG week!
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Professor wrote:Amen to that sentiment. Lets all have a good one its been a LOOONG week!:hattip:
Lou, we will survive and fight the good fight !
Have a great one Sir.
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