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We all have seen posts with doubts concerning negative carry over issues, so let’s try to compile that information for all CAP certified programs, in an easy place for everyone to see.
The “Negative carry over thread” links to each reply. This will take a while, but it’s time well spent. I like organized information.
This way we will easily see which programs understand negative balances as advertising costs, and don’t carry over.Questions:
1) Do you carry over negative balance?
2) Is the winning player removed from the account?
3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement?
4) Any restriction?
Thank you for your reply!
Questions:
1) Do you carry over negative balance?
No2) Is the winning player removed from the account?
No – a winning player may spend a million afterwards which wouldnt be fair to the webmaster that delivered them if we removed them for an initial win.3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement?
No4) Any restriction?
If we see there is some type of abuse of no negative carry over we terminate partnership.Another great reply
Thank you Maverick!Maverick@CCoins wrote:Questions:1) Do you carry over negative balance?
No2) Is the winning player removed from the account?
No – a winning player may spend a million afterwards which wouldnt be fair to the webmaster that delivered them if we removed them for an initial win.3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement?
No4) Any restriction?
If we see there is some type of abuse of no negative carry over we terminate partnership.Abuse of the no negative carry over? How in the world would that happen?
Maverick, lets say a new player deposits $100 and gets really lucky on the blackjack and roulette tables and runs their account up to $55,000. Say that this puts the affiliate into the negative; you say you would then set the account to 0; correct? Thus; the casino is out $55,000.
Ok, so now its the following month, the player returns and loses back 50,000 before they wise up and cash out. Would you then pay the affiliate commission on the 50k; thus losing twice (55k by the casino, then 20k to the affy), or might the player quietly disappear after their big win so that you protect yourself from future playbacks?
I am pretty sure I know what your answer will be, I also know the reality of it. The casinos are not going to pay double too many times before they look for ways out.
Axl,
You want to know reality? The reality is we do not remove players from your account. Here is an example:
Player 1/Month1: Wins 55K? he erases all your other player loses costing you money. Reality is if you are a good webmaster you have more than one player.
Player 1/Month2: Loses 50k back you get paid and you should because you lost commission on all the player loses he wiped out the month before.
If you want to suggest we remove players fine. If you want to say “one time years ago I lost a high roller and you stole him” say it. The reality is I don’t let things like that happen to my business partners unless they want a gambler removed and request it. Any one who contacts me and works with me makes money with me.
Here is an example of “No Negative Carry Over Abuse”
100 accounts sign up for the match bonus at English Harbour at the end of the month and dont gamble. That puts the affilate at -27500 because promotional chips as you know come out against your net profit. You are then zeroed out. Then the next month the 100 accounts lose only the bonus chips and leave. Affilate wins 27500 and the casino is at 0. That is the type of abuse we dont tollerate and terminate.
Thanks
Maverick and Casino Coins – No Negative Carryover since 1999
