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The State of Washington signs into law Internet Gambling ban for its residents.

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  • #594136
    vladcizsol
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    On March 28th 2006 the Governor of the State of Washington signed a bill into law which makes Internet Gambling a felony.

    The law as passed can be viewed here:

    http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Passed%20Legislature/6613-S.PL.pdf

    The history of the law and the progress of this bill through the Washington legislature can be read here:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6613&year=2006

    #691340
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Incredibly … wasn’t even a close vote …
    No amount of lobbying would have helped.

    Third reading, passed;
    yeas, 93; nays, 5; absent, 0; excused, 0. (View Roll Calls)

    Is that really representative of their states views?
    If not – just who are they representing ?
    :popcorn:

    #691366
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Professor wrote:
    The law as passed can be viewed here:

    http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Passed%20Legislature/6613-S.PL.pdf

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    In the form in which the law is redacted in SEC 2 it looks more oriented to ban the activities of internet gambling operators, Affiliates and hosting in that state.

    I’m not sure that the ban is directed to residents gambling online provided that the gambling site is out of the borders of WA.
    Just my opinion.

    #691370
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Don’t think that it will hold up in a court of law since online gambling is just that -federal jurisdiction!

    #692088
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    so that means anyone who is an affiliate who lives in the state of washington can get arrested?

    Even if he is not a resident?

    #692097
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Bet22 wrote:
    so that means anyone who is an affiliate who lives in the state of washington can get arrested?

    Even if he is not a resident?

    Now that question confuses the hell out of me. How can you live somewhere and not be a resident?

    #692142
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Most students that go on to college, might live in a state, but are not resident of the state – especially for voting purposes!

    #692213
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I live in Washington State and read the newspaper everyday … This is the first time i’ve ever heard about this. It’s never showed up in any newspapers in the Northwest that I’m aware of.

    One of my websites was featured on a local TV news program… my stats jumped … I signed several local players … got some heat from an Indian Casino that suggested I was breaking the law but nothing about this.

    I play a little poker online… (but maybe I won’t now) I’m wondering how many other Washington residents feel the same way. All you would need is one zealot to cause you some pain and rat you off.

    If this is a president …watch out… I think this is more serious than what you might think.

    #692411
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Sure not good news.
    One good thing about the legal situation is Las vegas casinos now want a study of online gambling semes like they want a piece of the pie.

    #694385
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I sent Professor Rose an email and he replyed with this article.

    2006 – #4 © Copyright 2006, all rights reserved worldwide. GAMBLING AND THE LAW® is a registered trademark of Professor I Nelson Rose, Whittier Law School, Costa Mesa, CA

    Gambling and the Law®
    Washington State Makes It A Felony To Play Poker Online

    As of June 7, it is now a felony in the state of Washington to play poker on the Internet.
    The bill, S.S.B. No. 6613, has stirred up great anxiety in poker forums. Many feel, correctly, that they have been blind-sided. I searched the databases of Washington newspapers and could find almost nothing written about the law as it was making its way through the Legislature. In fact, when the Seattle Times published an article about bills to make Internet gambling a crime, it only mentioned proposals pending in Congress.
    Now, players are worried that they might get arrested. Some are trying to organize political committees to get the new law changed.
    In the real world, the new law will make little difference. In fact, the Washington State Gambling Commission has taken the official position that the bill merely “clarifies” existing law:
    Although Internet gambling has never been an authorized activity in Washington, this law was passed to make it very clear that Internet gambling is illegal in Washington. This includes gambling on the Internet, operating an Internet gambling site, or facilitating Internet gambling in any way.
    Is the Commission right, that being a mere bettor has always been illegal in Washington? Yes – at least to some forms of gambling.
    Prior to being amended by S.S.B. No. 6613, the law read:
    Whoever knowingly transmits or receives gambling information by telephone, telegraph, radio, semaphore or similar means, or knowingly installs or maintains equipment for the transmission or receipt of gambling information shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor…
    This made betting by phone with a bookie a crime. But it is questionable whether playing poker on the Internet fell under this law.
    Other Washington statutes make it a crime to participate in any form of gambling that is not authorized by the state or a pure social game. But there is at least some doubt as to whether these apply to the Internet at all, let alone to a game where the operator and all of the other players are in foreign states.
    S.S.B. No. 6613 added the words “the internet” and “a telecommunications transmission system” to the list. So, it clearly now is a crime to send or receive any gaming information online, which would include playing poker.
    Washington is probably the only state to expressly make it a crime to merely bet online. It certainly is the only state to make it a felony.
    A “Class C felony” means a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
    It is interesting to speculate who was behind this bill. The real impetus appears to be a desire to prevent the State Lottery from using the Internet. But other political players probably had a role in creating this draconian law.
    Making Internet gambling a felony allows religious conservatives, opponents of Indian gaming, and anti-gambling activists to make a strong statement. Some of them may even have thought the law might be enforced, although even they must know that no one is ever going to be arrested for playing poker from his own home.
    And one of the most powerful federal anti-gambling laws, RICO, short for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, only kicks in if an illegal gambling operation is committing state felonies, not misdemeanors.
    Then there are Washington’s licensed card clubs. As the Commission stated, in its Focus on Gambling Newsletter, “Some card room operators asked that we help get the word out that gambling over the Internet is illegal.”
    The Commission complied. It created a sign that can be posted in poker rooms to remind players that, at least in Washington, they must leave home to make a legal wager.
    END
    © Copyright 2006. Professor I Nelson Rose is recognized as one of the world’s leading experts on gambling law. His latest books, GAMING LAW: CASES AND MATERIALS and INTERNET GAMING LAW, are available through his website, http://www.GAMBLINGANDTHELAW.com.

    #694450
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    bleuze wrote:
    Don’t think that it will hold up in a court of law since online gambling is just that -federal jurisdiction!

    This is not correct. Federal law only takes precedence when there is a conflict between it and state law. However, the issue is not in the federal government’s “jurisdiction”.

    That said, federal law is not in conflict here. Gambling online is already illegal technically. If you wish to argue that the Federal Wager Wire Act is not up to date, then that means there is no law and thus state law takes precedence. Furthermore, there is, as far as I know, no federal law that says spreading gambling information on the Internet is legal, therefore the state law takes hold.

    #694454
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    There is a ruling by the FCC that the internet is not at all the same as the telephone line. (this was made in conjunction with the telephony issues sometime a year or even longer ago, and it is very clear in purposefully establishing a distinction between the two)

    There is also a federal law that makes advertising fall under the free speech amendment. Advertising is free speech. We haven’t abolished that yet!

    Of course I am not a lawyer and am just entertaining you folks here.

    #694465
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Dominique wrote:
    There is a ruling by the FCC that the internet is not at all the same as the telephone line. (this was made in conjunction with the telephony issues sometime a year or even longer ago, and it is very clear in purposefully establishing a distinction between the two)

    There is also a federal law that makes advertising fall under the free speech amendment. Advertising is free speech. We haven’t abolished that yet!

    Of course I am not a lawyer and am just entertaining you folks here.

    1. You are basically working to prove that there is no federal law regarding gambling on the Internet. If that’s the case, then the Washington Law has precedence.

    2. Advertising is not fully protected under the 1st Amendment. It only has partial free speech protection.

    #694476
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    kidd75219 wrote:
    Now that question confuses the hell out of me. How can you live somewhere and not be a resident?

    For certain things, there are guidelines to establishing residency in each state and moving to that state and having a ID alone is not enough proof for the state to consider you a resident. I just moved to another state recently (about 8 months ago) and for example, school in my sitution, would not allow me to pay resident tuition fees as I am still not considered a resident. I would only qualify for non-resident fees until I meet the residency guidelines which include but are not limited to “physically” residing in this state for 12 consecutive months along with some other requirements of proof (ie. employment, taxes filed, dwelling, etc..).

    Each state is different, but it depends on the extent of the case residency would need to be addressed. I know for other things, I just need to show my state ID and I’m good for discounts.

    #694602
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m a Washington resident …read the newspapers daily however there has been no coverage of this in any of the local news. I’ts so vague (the law) yet the penalties are extreme …. I was on a local TV news show several months ago so I’m certain there are people who are aware I’m operating in Washington State.

    For those of you who are the outside looking in I can understand your disconnect from the problem… but to be honest with you … It scares the crap out of me. If other states follow suit you won’t be on the outside much longer and no one is safe…. this business could potentially be doomed.

    I’m considering transfering my domains out of Washington State and curious if this might circumvent a potential problem.

    Any ideas about doing this ?

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