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just stumbled over a good editorial basically stating that US and its middle eastern buddy (israel) have agreed to bomb Iran later this summer or in early fall.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/061908c.html
this is so fucking ridiculous that its beyond me. for some reason this topic extremely pisses me off and i dont understand how US is dragging themselves and the rest of the world into another war. why don’t the bush administration fight somebody on their own continent instead of creating unrest in the rest of the world? how can you justify making a war against an oil producer knowing that this would skyrocket the oil prices even further? this is so fucking retarded…
bush and chenney should go hunting and just kill themselves there. would do the world some justice!
how can you justify making a war against an oil producer knowing that this would skyrocket the oil prices even further?
This is exactly what they want!
What I find sad in this post is that the lives of the people involved is secondary to the cost of oil.
Oil is traded in US dollars, no matter where you are in the world or who you buy it from. So, for example, if Honda in Japan wants to buy xx million gallons of oil from Saudi Arabia, it has to buy x million dollars from the US Treasury. The US economy is thus over-inflated given that they don’t have enough assets to cover the amount of money they’ve printed.
This is sustainable so long as the world keeps the status quo. Saddam Hussein proposed opening an oil exchange in Euros. This was the major ‘unknown’ factor behind the US invasion of Iran.
Irag are now proposing the same. For three years the US have been building a case to justify their next move. Just like the invisible WMDs (which were never found, despite being the entire basis for the war) the nuclear thing is just a smokescreen.
Yes, the US Government want the price of oil to go up and keep going up because once it’s gone, the whole financial pack of cards is going to collapse.
They have no clue how to resolve what they started in Iraq ,going after Iran will just give them more enemies.Sadly the ameriacan people are not in support of this agenda yet they will probably be the ones to suffer the most.I lost many friends when this war started ,I said from day one it was about a gallon of gas and it makes my blood boil when they try to tie Iraq to 911.
I think had bush focused on osama and afghanistan the world would be much better today.
I have been in Iraq ,before and after the 1991 invasion.Iraq was a beautiful country , people even the poor people had nice homes ,clean clothes and safe food to eat.The death and suffering in iraq after the usa invaded increased 10 fold ,I am not speaking of the direct deaths when the bombings happened in 1991 .I am speaking of the numbers of people who died of cancer and radiation poisioning as a result of the toxic wastes left behind , the water systems and food being compromised.
The americans cannot resolve the conflicts of Iraq , much like the gang ssues and people killing eachother over territory and drugs we see in our big cities.
The problems in Iraq and many muslim countries are sunni/shia divisions that go back to when the prophets were still alive.These fights will be going on for eternity and sadly the usa governement think they can solve it all.What is happening now is probably these groups rather work together against american than side with americans. You will probably see Iran and Iraq form some sort of union soon for similar reasons.Bush goes on about terrrorism and this war had to make usa safer,if anything i think he has made the country more enemies.
I think if you polled Iraqi people they would be glad to get their country back to the state it was pre 1991.Bush has ruined two countries in the past 8 years ,fortunately for Iraq it has the oil to fall back on.One thing people often forget, or perhaps they don’t even realize at all (I was amazed) is that the US have massive reserves of ‘oil shale’, a fine grained rock that contains oil – different from crude oil, but liquid hydrocarbons can be extracted from it.
In fact, through their oil shale, the US has the biggest oil reserves in the world!
The worlds proven regular (crude) oil reserves stands at around 1.3 trillion barrels, but there are around 3 trillion barrels of extractable oil from shale around the world. What’s more, the US have around 2/3 of that world resource, mostly in the Green River Basin.
So, the US have 2 trillion barrels of oil, in the form of shale – more than the entire world supply of crude oil, which stands at 1.3 trillion barrels!
The problem prior to the recent oil price rise, has been the cost of extracting and processing the shale was much higher than the price of oil itself. So, it was not economically viable to produce and not really considered as a reserve. I think the cost of producing a barrel of oil from the shale was around US$70–100 in 2005.
But, with oil at $140 a barrel, shale oil can now be produced and a good profit made.
Furthermore, with improved technology and more scale, the production costs are dropping quickly and I read somewhere that it may be as low as $50 per barrel now and it could drop to $30 a barrel within a decade.
So, if oil goes up to $200 per barrel over the next decade, then the US stand to profit $170 per barrel from 2 trillion barrels they have in shale form.
This dwarfs the reserves in Saudi Arabia!
So, with the biggest oil reserves on the planet, the US can become the biggest oil producer out there, but only if it is economically viable through high oil prices.
Which country’s governement REALLY wants high oil prices?
It’s the US…
dendrite, i think you hit the point there.
even though US is one of the biggest consumers of oil in the world, and high oil prices continue to significantly affect the life of US citizens (and obviously the rest of the world which on average is a lot poorer that people in US), most of its actions continue to drive the oil price up. the latest craze to attack iran and assure israel that an attack is imminent is only making it sweeter for oil producers. seems like the hidden agenda behind the war on terror is to make even more money for the oil industry…
didn’t a week ago bush call for a lift on a ban of producing oil off US shelfs or something?
Listen bombing Iran has nothing to do with oil, it has to do with Nuclear Energy. The west and Israel are utterly terrified that Iran will become the next North Korea. A country that we hate, but can’t attack because of their weapons. So Israel will do what we do best, which is roll shop just like we did in early 90s to Iraq. the fact of the matter is that its really in the best interest of the world for Iran not to have any kind of nuclear program. There is so much civil and political unrest, not to mention the creed of wiping Israel off the map, to warrant this attack. But i do not think that it ultimate be the Americans that will pull the trigger or push the button, it will be Israel. We are not looking to topple any regimes or free the lost soles of Iran, no our mission is of a simpler nature; protect the homeland. A sentiment not understood in America. And if there is any retaliation, well we just have to turn Terran to glass.
adamaffiliate;166299 wrote:Listen bombing Iran has nothing to do with oil,… yeah, maybe in Narnia. :wink-wink
@adamaffiliate 166299 wrote:
Listen bombing Iran has nothing to do with oil, it has to do with Nuclear Energy.
for israel its about nuclear, but not energy. its nuclear weapons.
for US its about oil. if they really cared about nuclear weapons they would do something about Pakistan getting them. Somehow the fact that Pakistan has gone nuclear and is a breeding ground for taliban fighters doesn’t seem to bother US at all…double standards I say…
@adamaffiliate 166299 wrote:
the fact of the matter is that its really in the best interest of the world for Iran not to have any kind of nuclear program.
fully agree with you. but is it in the world’s best interest to bomb iran? that’s the question!
i do think that Israel has the right to defend itself. but i’m not too sure if bombing Iran on the assumption that they are developing nuclear weapons, and not nuclear energy, would really help the whole situation in middle east. Ahmadinejad obviously had an agenda of some sort when he said that Israel should be wiped off the map (although there are questions whether this was actually what he said or poor translation), but i do not think any country in their right mind would even come close to attacking Israel. hamas/hizboulah maybe, but not a country. nobody is stupid enough to unleash the wrath of USA on them.
The problem lies with in the Iranian government. They know what they need to do and thats allow UN weapons inspectors full access to the facilities. But i still dont think that thats going to be enough for the US or Israel. Because i feel that Iran would use it if they had it. Thus just think that might do something is reason enough to take it out. Its just like that mole you got removed from your back. And why was removed? because that same mole could turn into cancer and then kill. Was the guaranteed outcome? No, but just having the knowledge of what might happen was enough to have it removed. Thats what we are trying to avoid with Iran. By blowing up the Nuclear plant we will know 100% for sure that they are not going to make the bomb. Then Iran can go back to what ever it was doing before this whole fiasco.
Plus once they have it they are sure as heck not going to give it up. Just look at the whole Pakistan/India situation. No can do anything because they both have the bomb. Neither willing to back down for fear of what the other wont do. which in this case is disarm. Same with North Korea. We cant do anything too bad otherwise Seoul might look like Hiroshima.
Being a poor county and having the bomb is that like that bully we all had in school, unless you were that bully, that would take your lunch money. You pay him your lunch money for fear of what he might do, but you wont tell on him either for the same reason.Something to think about: What would the geopolitical structure of the middle east be like today if Israel had not destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactors?
let’s be honest here, you don’t need to be poor to be a bully. it’s very hypocritical to consider north korea, pakistan and india as bullies while not saying anything about the rest of the nuclear countries.
israel is undeniably the biggest bullly in middle east. USA is the biggest bully in the world. russia, GB, and france are also bullies on the world stage…every country that managed to acquire nuclear weapons has turned into one. in fact, rogue countries (a very relative term, rogue according to who?) will continue to want to go nuclear because nuclear weapons are currently the biggest bargaining card against not being attacked by another country. this makes it a lot easier to understand why countries want to go nuclear. take iran, they don’t want to be attacked and influenced by USA as they were in 1953 (In 1953 Iranian coup d’état saw the overthrow of the democratically-elected Iranian Prime Minister by British and American intelligence operatives working together with Iranian agents and elements of the Iranian army. oil was the reason for the coup. the goal was to restore Anglo-Iranian Oil Company’s (renamed in 1954 as BP) access to Iranian oil fields. read more here)…in their view, the only way to make sure they don’t get attacked is to acquire nukes.
let’s not forget that the ONLY country in the world that has attacked another country with nuclear weapons is USA.
as for the balance of power in the middle east if iraq had nuclear weapons, its hard to say. i don’t have my crystal ball here. but for some reason i would think that iraq would be a bit better off than they are today…
…and wait, is there any proof/evidence/something that Iran has/is building nukes? or is this another iraqi case? i don’t mean to say that you must provide evidence in order to attack another country, but you know, it would be nice to avert another fiasco by presenting something…
Boy I have a real hard time with this one.
I still remember when the Iranians took our embassy hostage and I do consider them a serious threat to peace in the region. I also dont want them to ever possess Nuclear Weapons.
I would hope we could bring about a regime change there without direct military intervention, but if that fails I think that they are far more deserving of a shock and awe ass whipping then Iraq EVER was.
If we werent cowardly bullies then we should have devoted more attention to Iran and North Korea. They are real threats to world peace. Its a damned shame King George stretched our military to the breaking point and destroyed our economy or we could realistically consider miltary action in these two places if need be. As it stands now because of the administrations quest for oil riches and personal gain we are spread so thin we couldnt go after Zimbabwe if we wanted to.
We don’t have any MONEY to be fighting wars with!
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 25 Jun 2008 at 12:14:55 AM GMT is:
9,374,775,565,508.15
The estimated population of the United States is 304,236,164
so each citizen’s share of this debt is $30,814.14.The National Debt has continued to
increase an average of
$1.36 billion per day since September 28, 2007!@Professor 166503 wrote:
Boy I have a real hard time with this one.
I still remember when the Iranians took our embassy hostage and I do consider them a serious threat to peace in the region. I also dont want them to ever possess Nuclear Weapons.
I would hope we could bring about a regime change there without direct military intervention, but if that fails I think that they are far more deserving of a shock and awe ass whipping then Iraq EVER was.
If we werent cowardly bullies then we should have devoted more attention to Iran and North Korea.
I agree 100% with the professor. For people who don’t remember, do a little research what these bastards did. Sometimes you need to do bad things to achieve an outcome that would help a world that would just like to live in peace.
