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When I see vip profits is one of our certified programs, I decided to join this affiliate program last month, unfortunately, I didn’t get paid at the first month of being vip profits’ affiliate.
I brought more than 40 CPA players to them last month. Unfortunately, the vip group lost money since the players’ luck.They suddenly suspended my affiliate account and didn’t give me the detail reason . I sent them several emails, they always said they will invetigate before the payment day of August.
Now the payment day passed, I still didn’t receive any responce from them.
Can the casino not pay affiliates CPA earnings only because the players won?
In my opinion, it is really unfair for me.Hope I can get some help from this wonderful forum.
Starbet I am moving your post down to the VIP Profits area so that Mario can follow up with you.
VIP Profits has always been an outsanding and reliable program and I have never heard of anyone not being paid the commissions due them.
I suspect the problem is that you are working on a CPA model, at CAP we always advise against this type of payment scheme as its generally a losing proposition for at least one of the partners. If you are sending LEGITIMATE players to the casino/sportsbook and accepting a CPA payment then YOU are the loser as player value over the long haul is FAR more then what any program will pay you under CPA, so if you are HONEST and send REAL players CPA is NOT a good deal for you.
If you are sending pure bonus hunters or trying to scam the casino/sportsbook using CPA and they dont catch you then THEY are the losers. This is a VERY common scam certain “affiliates” try and programs are well aware of it and do their best to put terms and conditions in place that make it difficult to get away with.
Certain less reputable affiliates have tried to scam the casinos through payback scams to a circle or “friends” or players. Other set up gift programs that “reward” you for following the MINIMUM deposit and play through requirements for a CPA deal they have with the casino/sportsbook. Others do credit card charge back scams. The list goes on and on.
I am not saying YOU did any of these, but the casino/sportsbook’s ONLY protection from this sort of scam is to strictly enforce minimum play through/ deposit requirements on the players you send them. I have a feeling that the players you sent were in violation of these terms and thats the problem you are having trying to collect the CPA on them.
The good news is IF these 40 players ARE real and they have been placed under you in a net win commission scheme then you WILL earn a lot MORE commission over time. That’s far better then merely closing your account for fraud and throwing you out of the program.
Let’s see what Mario has to report and don’t give up hope. VIP Profits is a fair program and I am sure they will do the right thing in this case.
I agree with every word the professor said, and it can’t be said often enough.
The only time CPA is a good choice is if you know you have good players but you need money fast. And then it is a temporary measure to help you get on your feet. Like a loan, it’ll cost you. And at that juncture, you should try for a deal that is part CPA and part percentage. That will give you some instant cash but you still benefit from the quality of your players.
Like the professor said, one party always loses with CPA.
Thanks, professor, I decided to change to revenue share program after this payment is settled.
But I think, the casino should know they have risk for the CPA program, 1 or 2 lucky players can make the commission negative. It is not webmaster’s default.
When I check my statistics I found I had more than 90000 impressions, almost 2000clicks, and this is really traffic from my site, and I already tried my best. Even if they lost money, they should pay me due to my marketing efforts.If I put other program in my website, they also should pay me advertising fees. I was really hurt by them.By the way, my vip profits’ email is
Thanks again, professor and dominiqueThank you professor for moving the post and your very fitting explanation to this context!
Unfortunately VIP Profits is being molested with an extremely large group of CPA scammers lately and therefore need to take extra measures that may or may not affect legitimate affiliates.
Shanhong, I emailed you and asked if you could explain about the traffic you have been sending, but so far all you answered me with were accusations and threats. This has caused more unnecessary delay.
I can go further into detail about this correspondence and other things, but I will contact you first and get to an agreement.VIP Profits is in no way violating any terms and conditions and most definitely no ethics!
You were notified about the situation and I said I would try to get things settled before pay day.The account is being investigated and will remain frozen till further notice.
Dear Mario,
I don’t want to threaten anybody.As an affiliate, I feel very weak when you suspended my account. I only can get some help from this wonderful affiliate forum( Thanks professor creating this wonderful site)
I already waited for 1 month after you suspended my account. You told me it needs investigation, but how long does it take. Is that an excuse of you. What I need is that please give me the detail reason why you don’t want to pay me and why you think my traffic is fraud traffic and how you define it.
As far as I know, my traffic is real traffic, palyers are real players.If you don’t want to pay me, just send me email directly to tell me that you don’t want to pay me because you don’t want, then I will quit, and I will blacklist vip profits for ever in my websites and all my sister websites.
I really don’t like waiting since I already waited for 1 month.
Please give me the direct answer paying or not paying ASAP.
Thanks
Your account was suspended on July 18th and you were notified that that would be the case till further notice.
There is no reason to feel weak, as you were given the chance to explain on several occasions.I just sent you a detailed email with a proposal to settle this issue.
It basically matches what has been discussed in this thread.VIP Profits has always paid its affiliates on time for full commissions earned and will continue doing so.
Starbet I see you have only opened your CAP account on July 28th and right away you start bashing. You claim to bring in 40 real accounts in a short period of time all under a CPA deal.
I ran casino affiliate programs for nearly 8 years and this minimal info I am hearing is raising tons of red flags. If your traffic is legitimate then you should also be making good money under a rev share program as well.
I have been working with VIP profits since their inception and have always been treated fairly and paid promptly. Thanks Mario we already have recieved our July revenue.
I think the seasoned people at CAP can see what is taking place here and find you a menace to our industry. It is scams like this that force the Aff managers to increase T&C’s and limit certain programs because of abusers like this. I don’t even see any reference to what sites Starbet runs.
We have recently seen some of the Aff programs recognize our concerns and made good decisions to respond in a positive way to our requests. I think it is also important for us to support these good programs when an affiliate tries to abuse them.
Lets hear it folks.
Brian
Starbet I have to agree with Islandmaan. VIP Profits has been fantastic to work with and as I said before I have never known them NOT to pay an affiliate the commissions due them.
islandmaan wrote:Starbet I see you have only opened your CAP account on July 28th and right away you start bashing. You claim to bring in 40 real accounts in a short period of time all under a CPA deal.I ran casino affiliate programs for nearly 8 years and this minimal info I am hearing is raising tons of red flags. If your traffic is legitimate then you should also be making good money under a rev share program as well.
I have been working with VIP profits since their inception and have always been treated fairly and paid promptly. Thanks Mario we already have recieved our July revenue.
I think the seasoned people at CAP can see what is taking place here and find you a menace to our industry. It is scams like this that force the Aff managers to increase T&C’s and limit certain programs because of abusers like this. I don’t even see any reference to what sites Starbet runs.
We have recently seen some of the Aff programs recognize our concerns and made good decisions to respond in a positive way to our requests. I think it is also important for us to support these good programs when an affiliate tries to abuse them.
Lets hear it folks.
Brian
Hi, if you don’t know the fact,please don’t criticize me according to your own imagination, I always came to this forum although I registered on July 28.I have already received the email from Mario, and we made some agreements now. I brought 40 players last month since I have the ability and my site has a very big traffic.
By the way, this is an affiliate forum, not a casino manager’s forum, I just tell the truth, and please don’t take this opportunity to flatter aff manager.Professor wrote:Starbet I have to agree with Islandmaan. VIP Profits has been fantastic to work with and as I said before I have never known them NOT to pay an affiliate the commissions due them.
I agree with you, professor. After this payment’s settlement, I will continue to promote VIP profits, and Mario has already promised me that he will give me a 30% deal of revenue share.What comes around goes around, they say.
I don´t know this specific story.
But why don´t you just tell us your ulr so we all can see your site Star?I would like to post to say I am in full support of Mario and feel he is doing a fantastic job. During my time at VIP as their manager as well as other programs I have helped run I have found a large number of affiliates sending illegite traffic through CPA, and this is extremely costly and harmful for the brands.
These CPA scams have created bad taste within affiliate managers as well as affiliates mouths, and many programs are wary of CPA deals. Starbet – your traffic may be legite and for this reason I apologise but please understand the affiliate managers problem.
I feel Mario did what any affiliate manager would have done and that was to investigate the source of the traffic to determine whether it is legite. Echo of what the Professor said – In many past cases these CPA deals have been fraudulent and traffic sent from a network of buddies and/or an offer site stating ‘Get FREE Cash’ or reward sites encouraging people to open accounts (deposit smaller amounts than the CPA paid to the affiliates).
Remember a true affiliate will always true revenueshare over CPA!
My offer on settlement was refused.
Okay, it was partly refused: “First transfer the amount ‘due’, thEn continue with Revenue share.” (Need I say more….?)I sent a final offer this morning and am still awaiting an aswer.
This one includes a spread out payment over the coming months of the CPA earnings, which is way more than reasonable considering the circumstances.Just an FYI.
Thank you all for the support!
Dear Mario,
what a trick you give me the deal.
Your first offer is to increase my revenue share to 30% ,but don’t pay my July commission. Your second offer is that I must earn more than USD 25000 (5000 per month) revenue for you , then you will pay my whole July commission.
Both of the way is to decline my July commission payment.
I am newbies for this industry, I choose CPA since I think it is more stable than revenue share. Unfortunately, I met vip affiliates which don’t pay me.
I will avoid VIP profits permanently and blacklist VIP profits in all my sites.
Just don’t understand why so many affiliates flatter you and bash a newbie.
I insist VIP profits should pay me even if you lost money since this is the CPA commission pattern.Please don’t find another execuse.Thanks for everyone.
Starbet
