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Satya,
I noticed that Party Poker updated their Terms and Conditions on May 23rd. I have a question about the following clause:
4.7 …..We reserve the right to render any Players that become inactive (meaning that they make no contribution to Monthly Gross Revenue) for any period of 60 days or more invalid as Players for the purpose of any Affiliate Fees due to you hereunder to the extent that they become active again after such 60 day period.
Do I lose my player if he does not play within a 60 day period? I think that timeframe is kind of tight. Many poker players go broke and take a cooling off period for several months before playing again. Furthermore, if I read it correctly, I was under the impression all players sent to the site via an affiliate were linked to them for the “life” of the relationship between the affiliate and partypoker.
Thanks,
acesup
Good point. Anxiously waiting for a reply. Sounds fishy…..
Also players who do not make a deposit within 60 days will not be tracked to us either.. I will definitely stop promoting them actively now. Party poker has built up a good reputation for a long time and now they ruin it all, I do not understand.
Not very impressive. I have basically been putting all my marketing energy into Party Poker. Guess I better think about taking Empire up on their offer of “an interesting deal” if I market them solely. No point marketing party if lifetime doesn’t MEAN lifetime.
Thanks for the heads up Ace
BradSome folks take vacations, etc. That’s a ridiculous clause.
If lifetime doesn’t mean lifetime, why go on rev-share any more? It’s not like they’re paying out 75% to webmasters, and need to save every penny — it’s the other way around!
Thanks for the refresh George
Looks like a Dis on this one acesup
Time to change banners
BradI am still waiting for an official response from Satya/PartyPoker before I change my marketing plans.
GeorgeK wrote:Some folks take vacations, etc. That’s a ridiculous clause.If lifetime doesn’t mean lifetime, why go on rev-share any more? It’s not like they’re paying out 75% to webmasters, and need to save every penny — it’s the other way around!
Looks like they came up with a modified version of the term “lifetime.” They call it “active lifetime.” Read below:
Select from one of two payment plans: Get paid $65 – $75 per sign up guaranteed or earn 20-25% of the gross revenue generated during the active lifetime of your player’s Account while you are an affiliate with us.
The new terms are absolutely unacceptable. I’m steering all my traffic to PokerRoom.com and Empire Poker.
I too, am waiting for the ‘official’ position from there representatives…..
I want to know if this is retroactive, or on a going forward basis, as I’ve sent PP over 10K accounts over the past 19 months, and 90% of those are STILL potential new accounts under the ‘lifetime’ defination…..
this is upsetting
Hi All,
PartyPoker.com has always respected our affiliate relationships and will continue to try and maximize their value from their traffic. We have someone looking at any implications of this latest release that you, as our existing affiliates, should be aware of or concerned about. We should have a response for you on the specific questions raised here before the end of the week.
However, I can state with certainty that the new agreement is principally meant for NEW affiliates and that it is unlikely to change the way in which our current affiliate relationships operate.
Thanks,
SatyaiGlobalMedia wrote:We have someone looking at any implications of this latest release that you, as our existing affiliates, should be aware of or concerned about.In the future perhaps you may wish to have somoe-one look at the implications before they are put in the terms.
Based on the percentage changes to Starluck not being applied to existing affiliates I have every confidence that you will do the right thing in this case as well. Please, please don’t prove me wrong.
iGlobalMedia wrote:Hi All,PartyPoker.com has always respected our affiliate relationships and will continue to try and maximize their value from their traffic. We have someone looking at any implications of this latest release that you, as our existing affiliates, should be aware of or concerned about. We should have a response for you on the specific questions raised here before the end of the week.
However, I can state with certainty that the new agreement is principally meant for NEW affiliates and that it is unlikely to change the way in which our current affiliate relationships operate.
Thanks,
SatyaHello,
Thanks for responding and I am eagerly waiting for the official response. Will you guys also discuss the issue regarding play money players? Apparently if a play money player signs up for real money after 60 days of creating the account, they will not be credited to the affiliate. Poker is not an easy game to learn and it takes a lot more than 60 days to get a feel for the game and to be comfortable playing it, especially for real money. A poker newbie is not going to deposit money in their account until playing for several months on the play money tables. Some of us send 100’s of play money players each and every month and I think we should be given at least 12 months for them to convert to real money. If they do not convert by then, they are most likely never going to convert.
I understand that you guys can change your terms and conditions per the affiliate agreement, but it would be nice to know exactly what Party Poker’s stance is so that affiliates can make the necessary changes to their marketing efforts.
Thanks,
acesup
A few clarifications –
Play money players older than 60 days –
PartyPoker.com’s position is that if a player has not made a deposit for 60 days, another affiliate who convinces the player to make a deposit should receive credit for the player. This clause was introduced in the contract in early 2004 in order to facilitate quick cash transfers to players who sought assistance from affiliates. We try to manage possible abuse of this by monitoring play money chats to prevent affiliates from poaching players from other affiliates
This is not a recent change to the contract and has been a part of the agreement for over a year. PartyPoker.com has never moved out players from an affiliate, even if the players are older than 60 days, ever during this period and has no intention of doing so in the future.
Affiliate players are currently locked in with the original referring affiliate, but we intend to provide more flexibility on this soon to benefit affiliates who can assist players who have difficulties with their first deposit.
Clarification regarding changes in the Affiliate Agreement –
We recognize and understand the fact that there are concerns related to some of the other clauses.
We are looking into the same and should get back with an amendment / clarification soon.
Thanks,
Satya
