referback dissapearing players

I “lost” three players with them last month. I am doing screen captures every other day now and the next time it happens I am going to nail Kamiel for this.

Oddly enough last night (Friday) I took a major drop in revenue. Either I had a big winner or the Referback crew went over budget partying in Amsterdam and are taking it back from the affiliates.

Referback is NOT the same program they were 18 months ago.

Happens to me often there.

Re. Amsterdam – I doubt anyone went over budget. These things are not what they used to be. Programs get together to host any dinners and the cost is minimal. If they have to steal any players to afford what they are spending these days, times are very bad indeed.

Hi,

oddly enough, I must speak up for RB, … to some extent.

I cannot say what they are: or are not doing, but I have this to offer.

for some time, I have kept RB at the back of my sites, even before the new “rule” was forced on us; the one about requiring a new player every month to keep from losing 5% :devil:

…. ah, but where was I? anyway,… about 6 months, maybe 9 before the new rule, I had begun cutting back their traffic due to what I felt was almost certainly a ……. cap, for lack of better words, that I was seeing, and that most other webmasters who I talked with had similar experience. You’d jump out to a good start the first week, then do nothing for 2 weeks and then the last week you’d usually have a little bit more added onto the scale.

So I pushed them back figuring that I was only going to make so much with them anyway, so why waste the extra traffic?

well either an old player, or someone new; (I can’t remember) started up at lucky nugget and I started seeing some fantastic months. really, really fantastic months.

Not being one to be too quick to jump back on a sinking ship, I waited … I’d say about up until a couple of months before the new rule, so that’s about 4 months time, where I didn’t ever increase traffic to any RB property, despite making this great income. Needless to say, I did finally give LN exposure, only to get this new rule forced upon us sometime shortly aftwards.

IMHO a tactic that is about as smart as was the “new coke” idea for so many reasons on so many levels ….

all that said, I hope nobody cruised too fast over the parts that said “really, really fantastic months” and “about 4 months time, where I didn’t ever increase traffic to any RB property”.

I still feel I was on some kind of cap. things were too obvious IMHO to have been anything else; but that was then, and after that came some nice months where I feel I was seeing results (not only to my liking) that were what I would consider to be more reasonably logical in respect to how my income gathered speed over the course of the month and how I would expect player’s to behave.

the last couple months haven’t been outstanding, in fact they’ve really sunk, but I always find great optimism in my opinion of a program’s integrity when I see something like I’ve just described to you.

There was no reason for RB to have increased my income unless they were trying to bait me into further exposure; but when that didn’t happen over night, rather a considerable amount of time passed; and my income didn’t just dive right back into the crapper; I think it is cause for pause and reflection; before completely turning my back on a program having labeled them cheats or shavers.

I don’t have an answer but rather raise more questions, I know.

Yep, thats when the downturn began and its been accelerating since June of last year.

I have always wondered if maybe JJ didn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel was dimming and didn’t care to have his name associated with what was to come.

Quite frankly back when he was running things, I always wondered if the poor guy didn’t do everything himself at RB, while his aff managers under him just took advantage of JJ’s good nature and so on … because if I ever wanted to get anything really done at RB, I had to contact JJ, it often took him a while to get back to me, but I tell you right now he always DID get back.

INCLUDING the small novel I wrote him one time where I elaborated to such points (this is way condensed): real people with real families with real needs who are counting on getting treated fairly and have invested their money – thereby meaning their lives, and their family’s lives; on the facts which we agreed upon when we signed up, which includes the promise to always pay us what we have legit earned.

that was about 4 or 6 months before he quit. Perhaps it even had a lot to do with his decision to walk away, whether he consciously knows it or not. I know it would very much bother me to be associated with anything but an honest program. I KNOW what its like on the other side; that we’re not all of us weekend webmasters who have only invested a few hundred bucks into this business. When a person or family invests the kind of serious money it takes to do any kind of legit advertising in this niche; they MUST see as good as return on their investment as possible because it’s going to take a big share of that money for your next month’s ads.

anyway my opinion had been that RB had begun to turn it around again. I assumed that was why my “cap” had been lifted.

its funny. when I should have been making the big money, … I didn’t. and then when I had all but forsaken them completely, … they turn in outstanding months.

now that I’ve begun showing them some limited exposure; they are begining to fall off ….

what a riddle.

yep, especially since instead of expensive bars inexpensive coffeshops were all the rage this year…

Hi again,

nobody really answered my question. How do you notice them missing?

do you mean last month you had 100, this month you had 95 (and there were no player accounts closed)?

or did they close accounts ?

or are you talking about you had play last month; but then this month you’ve seen little going on?

perhaps better worded; are you seeing a bad bottom line at the end of the month is the reason you’re saying they’ve disappeared?

or are you actually seeing your number of players slowly dissipate?